Hear four experts discuss what really goes on inside the worlds of extremists and those tasked with countering them. Researching Going Dark: The Secret Social Lives of Extremists, Julia Ebner went undercover to join extremist online groups. Nesrine Malik’s We Need New Stories challenges the myths at the heart of our current culture wars. Peter Pomerantsev examines how influence operations have gone awry in This is Not Propaganda. Jeff Sparrow’s Fascists Among Us traces the roots of the New Zealand shooting. Hosted by ABC Radio’s Philip Clark.

Julia Ebner (International)

Julia Ebner

Julia Ebner is a researcher at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, where she leads projects on online extremism, disinformation and hate speech. She has given evidence to numerous governments, security services and parliamentary working groups, and has acted as a consultant for the UN, NATO and the World Bank. Her reporting has appeared in Guardian UK, The Independent, Prospect and Newsweek, among other publications. Julia was a key contributor to an ITV documentary on militant responses to Brexit and a Radio 4 piece on women in the far right. She is the author of The Rage: The Vicious Circle of Islamist and Far-Right Extremism. Going Dark: The Secret Social Lives of Extremists is her most recent book.

Nesrine Malik (International)

Nesrine Malik

Nesrine Malik is a British Sudanese author and columnist and features writer for Guardian UK. She was born in Sudan and grew up in Kenya, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. She received her undergraduate education at the American University in Cairo and University of Khartoum, and her postgraduate education at the University of London. Alongside her journalism career she previously spent 10 years in emerging markets private equity. Her first book is We Need New Stories: Challenging the Toxic Myths Behind Our Age of Discontent.

Peter Pomerantsev (International)

Peter Pomerantsev

Peter Pomerantsev is a prize-winning Soviet-born British journalist and author. He is a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Global Affairs at the London School of Economics, studying 21st-century information manipulation and how to fix it. An author and TV producer, he is a widely cited expert on disinformation and media, and writes for publications including Granta, The Atlantic, Financial Times and many others. His first book, Nothing is True and Everything is Possible, won the 2016 Royal Society of Literature Ondaatje Prize, and was nominated for the Samuel Johnson, Guardian First Book, Pushkin House and Gordon Burns prizes. It has been translated into more than a dozen languages. His most recent book is This is Not Propaganda.

Jeff Sparrow (Australian)

Jeff Sparrow

Jeff Sparrow is a Walkley award-winning writer, editor and broadcaster. He writes a regular column for Guardian Australia and contributes regularly to many other publications. His books include No Way But This: In Search of Paul Robeson; Trigger Warnings: Political Correctness and the Rise of the Right; and, most recently, Fascists Among Us: Online Hate and the Christchurch Massacre.

Philip Clark (Australian)

Philip Clark

Philip Clark is a well-known ABC broadcaster who currently presents Nightlife, an Australia-wide program on ABC Radio from Monday to Thursday. The program features interviews and specialist comment and opinion from a wide range of contributors. Philip has presented widely across the ABC and commercial media in both radio and television. Prior to joining the ABC, he worked as a lawyer, ministerial staffer and as a senior journalist with Fairfax Media.